![]() ![]() And then the best thing ever happened, which is I realized that you’ve gotta hustle and just finding where the hustle is. ![]() Then I left and I couldn’t get any work and I had an agent but they also couldn’t get me any work. You’ve got long brown hair, sound kind of posh, and there’s the Royal Shakespeare Company, you’re going to be fine,” and then I was like “Helloooo?” and no one wanted to hire me.Īnd also I wanted to play those characters, like in our showcase, you get to choose your own roles and agents come to cover it, and I chose this, like, granny that was wearing a gray wig and my teachers were like, “You won’t get an agent,” and I was like, “But they’ll see what I can do!” And then I was playing this unruly teenager as well, and they were like, “That’s not gonna help you.” I was so defiant, and they were right, it didn’t, but sometimes it’s easier taking the risk and being like, “Well, they didn’t like that kind of work” versus doing a little Shakespeare and them being like, “We don’t want you now either.” PWB: I left drama school and everyone’s like, “You’re gonna be fine. Taffy: Describe the period of time when you were trying to get a job and you felt frustration at what you were being offered, the things that led you to write a one-woman play in the first place. Thought that was better than beating people up - make a play. And then the realization that that could be the way into a real kind of portal way to express my rage in a subtler way. I thought if I look like I’m playing by the rules, it will just look like a one-woman show, which is like a funny girl being funny. But I didn’t want to just express pure rage to people, so I think it came out as jokes.Īnd then when “Fleabag” finally… when I got to write, it was sort of the expression of all the kind of “Raaagghh” that came out. That actually is what I ended up taking forward, if you look like you’re playing by the rules, you can secretly fuck up behind the scenes.Īnd so when I was in my 20s and getting quite sort of frustrated by my position in the industry and just wanting a job - and that was pretty much it - but also in life as well, just feeling my place in the world as a woman, and as a woman who wanted to write and act, and how I felt about myself physically, and what my power was and all that kind of stuff was going on at the same time and I did feel this real rage underneath it all. Because I was, I got my little sash and my little badge and I was just a terror behind the scenes and it was like, “It couldn’t possibly be Phoebe.” I was going to boarding school and she said, “The most important thing to do is be an angel for the first term, and then you can do whatever the fuck you want,” and it was a genius piece of advice. Actually, to go back to if I was a good student - this will tap into what I say next - I remember knowing that in order to be able to be mischievous, you have to look like you’re playing the rules. Taffy: Were you someone who always was trying to express yourself as a child? Were you kind of tortured before everyone started listening to you? That’s the story I’ve always heard from people who have hit the big time that they had a sort of misery going on and they were only trying to express themselves and it was only a large-scale expression that really worked? that’s where stories got told and people make connections. My mum always said real education happens in the lunch breaks, and she told that to me too early, and so I really. I did really like elements of school and subjects that I loved so I sort of was but was always very last-minute. I was aware of and around it but I didn’t feel like it owned me so I could see it from a different perspective. But we were taken to the church every Sunday because my mom worked in the vicarage for a while as an administrator and also just because like, community and social stuff. PWB: My grandmother was Christian and she became more religious towards the end of her life, but my parents not so much. Taffy: Did you have any religion at home? Which just bred these really rebellious students, which was actually quite healthy in the end. Like you had to be slightly miserable and apologetic all the time. I did quite like the really repressive energy. ![]() ![]() And there were like one or two nuns clinging on there as well. PWB: It was the nearest school to my house. Taffy: Did you ever ask why you were sent to a Catholic school if you were not Catholic? It had an impact on me from an early age. The second secondary school I went to was Catholic, but I was always really fascinated by the religion and I remember walking through the corridors and there being these enormous crucifixes everywhere and being like “That is intense” between maths and French. ![]()
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